2 Soft Compounds
2 Soft Compounds is a weekly podcast focusing on Formula 1, hosted by radio broadcaster Rick Houghton and motorsport journalist and GrandPrix247 founder, Paul Velasco.
With a focus on unfiltered analysis, behind-the-scenes insights and expert commentary, the podcast offers fans an entertaining and informative take on the fastest sport in the world.
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F1's Desert Showdown: Bahrain’s Benchmark Battles
2 Soft Compounds - F1's Desert Showdown: Bahrain’s Benchmark Battles
🏜️ Bahrain Breakdown! On this week’s 2 Soft Compounds, Rick Houghton and Paul Velasco dig into the desert showdown that always reveals who's really hot - and who's not. From the wild backstory of how Bahrain even made it onto the F1 calendar, to the latest chapter in the Verstappen vs McLaren saga, there’s plenty to unpack.
🔥 The duo dive into Oscar Piastri’s rising edge, Kimi Antonelli’s rapid development and the pressure mounting on Carlos Sainz. Plus, they ask the big question - can you win a world title and stay the nice guy?
Bold opinions, behind-the-scenes stories, and plenty of spicy takes - Soft Compounds brings the heat in Bahrain!
Podcast Rundown
1️⃣ Welcome and Bahrain Memories
2️⃣ The State of Overtaking in F1
3️⃣ Predicting the Bahrain Winners
4️⃣ Mercedes and Antonelli's Progress
5️⃣ How Bahrain Nearly Didn’t Happen
6️⃣ Drivers Needing Improvement
7️⃣ The Rookie Conundrum
8️⃣ Ruthlessness Required for Champions
Production Credits:
Presented by: Rick Houghton & Paul Velasco
Studio Engineer & Editor: Roy D'Monte
Executive Producer: Ian Carless
Produced by: GrandPrix247 & W4 Podcast Studio
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Speaker 2:Anything can happen in Formula One, and it usually does.
Speaker 1:Here we go with another Two Soft Compounds podcast, with me, rick, and with Paul Velasco, the editor-in-chief and founder of Grand Prix 247. Welcome back, paul. It's a massive triple header that we're in at the moment and we head off to Bahrain for the 21st race at that particular circuit. You must have some good memories. I think you were there for the first race, weren't you? In 2004?
Speaker 2:Yes, hi guys, hi everyone. Thanks, rick, and yes, indeed, I was working in Dubai at the time. I was photo director at Golf News, which is quite a big paper in the region, and the sports editor, robin Chatterjee, came to me and I was sitting at my desk. He said listen, do you want to go on a jolly? And I said, yeah, where to? He said Bahrain. They're launching the track, the Grand Prix, et cetera, et cetera. So I said, sure, let's do it. And we went and they flew us there and you know the whole five-star treatment and at the track it was really cool. They launched it and I got to drive around it with a Ferrari 575, maranello, nice, what's his name? Carl Wendlinger was driving the car and we did three laps around it.
Speaker 2:It was quite amazing, because you know, the thing about desert circuits is this Think of a Skeletrics track. Right, remember Skeletrics when we were kids, aurora, you know, there's like slot cars. You built this beautiful track on your floor and all that, and I think Herman Tilke and these boys, they visualized this track in CGI and all that kind of stuff and they take it and they plonk it boom in the desert. So you have this like sand pit and you have this beautiful, beautiful, state-of-the-art track with all the facilities and everything. It's like it's almost been, you know, just lifted and craned there and put down and honestly, it's like I said, you can't fault it, but there's far too many grandstands and it's like sometimes it looks like a sort of like a ghost town, but it has delivered some amazing Grands Prix.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really has. I remember talking to Eddie Jordan about this in 2002 when it was first announced at Barone were building a circuit, and his biggest concern was we've never had to deal with sand and Formula One cars ever before, and he was really concerned that it was going to completely muck up the engines because of the sand and and the dust that would be blowing onto the circuit, and he was. I mean I. You can understand why engineers might have had that concern. It didn't really pan out that way when they got there for the first time, though, did it?
Speaker 2:no, mate, like everything, there was also the political issue and all that. When money talks, money talks and uh, yes, and, and also they, I think that the technology they've got now, I don't know, mate, it's like you know, like I said, uh, money talks, and that's what it's done in bahrain and it's now it's. You know, we're talking 21 years later. It's still on the calendar and it's a mainstay and it's almost like we come to testing uh ground for pre-season testing. So, yeah, it's it. I would say 2004, with that grand prix, began the boom of motor racing in the Middle East.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would totally agree. And one thing I love about the Bahrain Grand Prix is, first of all, it's a track where you can overtake. There's three or four possibilities each lap to get an overtake done, which is great. And secondly, because they test there, this circuit, they have the best and most accurate data. So they tested there at the start of the year. All that data has gone into their, their servers. They know exactly what they're facing when they arrive at the track this coming weekend. So really it should give us the biggest indication of the true order of formula one when they race and practice and qualify in Bahrain. Because they've got that data. It's in the data banks, they've got it all. They can retrieve that and and hopefully move their cars and their packages forward. One thing we've we've learned so far this season is the the overtaking. There hasn't been much overtaking really, and if you look at japan, for instance, not even a yellow flag in japan. That's unbelievable in a modern formula one man, that first lap.
Speaker 2:I've never seen such an orderly first lap in my life in formula one. It was just absolutely yeah, yeah, look, I think again, like I've always said it, formula 1 drivers are just getting better and better and better. All the time we saw in Japan the rookies were absolutely on top of it. We're not going to repeat all that. Max is at another level altogether. We've got such an amazing grid, so no surprise there that it's super close. It's going to be super close in bahrain. It's going to be the same thing. Trust me, it's going to be a very, very, uh it's. I say it's max versus the max. Yeah, just max versus mclaren. They think and listen, I'm sorry, I've predicted max last time out. Just back to the game. Okay, I predicted max last time out. Uh, you got it wrong. I think you went with.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know if I told you that before but anyway you may have mentioned it. Yeah to cut it long, so short. I got Max. I got Max now till I say no more Max, okay. So you got to pick the other. You got to go Norris, piastri Norris.
Speaker 1:Piastri, I know I'm not leaving Max, okay. No, that's fair enough. I actually think Piastri for this weekend. By by the way, honestly I do. I think you know, piastri. There's a debate and this isn't ground we've already covered, by the way, because we didn't really talk about it on the last podcast but there's a big debate in the paddock saying well, they should have asked Norris to move out lead, but they dropped the young outfit.
Speaker 2:I mean, they've got this pedigree and I always say this, but they've only won two or three races really since the Zac Brown era kicked in, because it's two totally different teams. Anyone who's been around knows that they're two totally different teams, Ethos and everything the way they go racing. So yeah, I mean I believe it's going to be the same thing, it's going to be the three of them. I'm seeing Russell get in there. I'm super, super impressed with Antonelli.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2:I put my hand up and said I got it wrong and put it out there for the last time. I'm tired of beating myself about this and I've eaten the humble pie, but the kid now will just grow. I mean, those three races sealed it for me. You know, I did a calculation. He was one second slower than Russell in Australia, four tenths in Australia, four-tenths in China and two-tenths in Japan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, that's development.
Speaker 2:That is development for you. So, yeah, I'm looking forward. It's going to look mate every race now they can't come soon enough and it's this triple header brilliant. We'll be burnt out by Saudi in terms of reporting, but there's so many talking points and you know Bahrain, as you said, is going to be a good leveler because it's the first benchmark that they can get. Before they used to test in Barcelona. Go do two, three races and eventually, like the fifth or sixth race would be Barcelona.
Speaker 2:And you could benchmark the cars Now. If there was development between Now, we'll see. After three races they go to Bahrain. We know what the pecking order was. After testing We'll check the pecking order. Who's gone forward, who's gone backwards? I'm seeing it as pretty much the same. It's just the guy who's just making the difference is Max.
Speaker 1:Yeah, without a doubt, and I like the fact that you know normally in previous years no-transcript in those three or four races. But now they're back there with with the comparison that they can draw from testing and and then you know we're really going to see what's what. I think it was interesting with the Ferrari drivers when they talked after the japanese grand prix. They were saying there's faults with the car. Hamilton was saying there's a problem with his floor, which isn't a problem for leclerc. I was like, well, why is that? Are they? They've given leclerc a higher spec floor than they have hamilton no, it's ferrari bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just thought wow, I mean, you know ham Hamilton, clearly their star driver. They've done everything to to poach him away from Mercedes and then they give him a lesson. They give him a more inferior floor than Charles Leclerc. I was like, well, I can't get. But of course we've seen many times and that Ferrari tend to implode when the pressure is on. But apparently Hamilton says that they fix this issue for Bahrain, which is great because we, you know he won the sprint race in China. There's clearly potential behind the car. They just need to get all their ducks lined up and maybe something miraculous could happen this weekend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, mate. They need a miracle. They've got a miraculous car at their grips. I still see Norris and Piaget the one's faster than the other one. I don't think they've got this papaya rules sorted actually, and until they do that, max is just going to rub their noses in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one of the reasons I think Piastri has a good chance of winning this weekend. I think because the team will have gone. Ah, I think we messed up there by not giving them the chance to attack Max, and I think Piastri himself will be putting pressure on the team going. Listen, I told you, I told you I could be, you know, faster than Lando.
Speaker 2:Look, they could have let him through and swap it back. Yeah, you know, it's like they've done it before. They would have been. They never attacked, mate. No, I didn't see an attack. That pit lane attack on this outside was. But we've talked about this, let's move forward. Look, the beauty of what I'm noticing about Formula One these days is Max keeps raising the bar, then Lando raises the bar, then Oscar. Everyone's chasing Max and everyone's just raising the bar, and especially, you see, at McLaren, because they've got such a good car. You see how they constantly. You know it's Oscar Norris, oscar Norris. Yeah, qualifying was Norris, race was Oscar, did you see? So I feel that they're continuously evolving. Let's see if they've learned any lessons from this past weekend.
Speaker 1:Now talking of Bahrain and the Bahrain Grand Prix. You've got a story, haven't you, about the chances that it may never have happened in the first place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, indeed, folklore in Dubai has it and many credible sources have told me this and I think if you do a deep search on ChatGPT you'll find it. But basically, what happened was this no one had ever heard of Bahrain, no one had ever heard of Qatar and all those places. A few people heard of Abu Dhabi, but Dubai was getting on the map. It was 2004 at the time and, of course, bernie, who does he phone? He phones the UAE.
Speaker 2:The Dubai ruler at the time was Sheikh Mohammed. He still is Sheikh Mohammed. And he said Sheikh Mohammed, listen, mate. And they were wanting to build this huge sport portfolio, make Dubai like what it is today. I mean, dubai is an amazing city. Anyway, sheikh Mohammed got word of this and he wanted to see. So Bernie got his jet there and he flew to Dubai and went to the king's palace and he was left waiting for like two, three hours. During that period. He had his phone, picked up the phone and he had already been in talks with the prince in Bahrain and he said mate, do you still want that Grand Prix? The prince said, yeah for sure. So he got in the car, the cavalcade that took him to Sheikh Mohammed's palace, who didn't appear for the meeting and he jetted to Bahrain and they struck a deal. I would say that happened around 2002, 2003.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that sounds about right on the timeline, because just answer me this, because you were to the Dubai Autodrome Was the Dubai Autodrome ever intended to host Formula One races? It wasn't, was it?
Speaker 2:Well, they said no, they said no, but it's, mate, it's one of the greatest racetracks. You know, I've never spoke to a driver who ever said Dubai is a great track. It's one of the most challenging tracks Dubai. If they were just if they were oh man, they built a city around the track, so it's almost like it's a proper, proper race track. Formula 1s around there would be unbelievable. I reckon one minute sub one minute 20, but man, that track is super, super tricky.
Speaker 1:I raced there. I raced there in a Ford Spec Racer. An absolute turn one frightened the pants off me because you can't see it coming. Do you know what turn one's based on? Well, all the corners are based on classic tracks, aren't they?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That turn one that dips down is based on Brands Hatch. Ah, Turn one at Brands Hatch, okay, makes sense, but there's one turn that's also kind of sculptured like Tarzan curve at Zandvoort. That's right, but you know Bahrain beat them. Listen, if it was today, I think he's like Mohammed would be waiting at the airport for Stefano Domenicali.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, but at the time you know Formula One, he was more into horse racing, but they missed a chance in terms of global because Bahrain has been put on the map. You've never heard of Bahrain happened. Abu dhabi saw the light and they built a seven, a seven star facility there. That's probably the most beautiful race track in terms of facilities, plug and play that I've ever seen. Most tracks evolve like silverstone evolved from a shitbox to you know what it is today. And well, monaco is monaco, but these tracks it's. It's just absolutely it's like a seven star hotel. But bahrain won. It won the race and, uh, dub, I don't see it happening, to be honest.
Speaker 1:Talking to Monaco very briefly. I see your friend Flavio Briatore has been appointed Monaco's goodwill ambassador for this year.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, and as you saw, we reported it fairly because you know it's got to be differentiated. When I call Flavio Briatore a scumbag, it's my opinion, but my side also. When he he did good stuff, he's a goodwill ambassador to Monaco, which is kind of strange for me. Goodwill ambassador I'm making Al Capone like goodwill ambassador for New York, but anyway, it is what it is. Obviously the Monaco prince saw in him something that he can do to boost Monaco, which I find strange.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you why I find strange. It's because Monaco would be like some forgotten country if Formula One didn't go there once a year. That it's become the crown jewel of Formula One is understandable, because that's where everyone goes to do the deals. Be seen blah, blah, blah and lots of stuff happens there and cars can't race around there. But that's inconsequential. Monaco breathes and kind of exists on Formula One, yet they make the ambassador of the city built on Formula One the man who perpetrated the greatest crime in Formula One.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about anything else, no other stuff. I was going to mention Crashgate, where he was banned for life for ordering a Formula One race driver to crash into a wall, nelson Piquet Jr. He was not exonerated, he appealed the case and somehow they dropped it and his lifetime banned from Formula One. But it is not in dispute at all that this man ordered a driver nearly to kill himself so that the race could be adjusted, so that Fernando Alonso, who reportedly knew nothing about this, went on to win a race that he should have never won, a race because Briatore at the time was under a lot of pressure from Renault, who wanted to pull out of the operation, and that's how it is. So this man is now an ambassador for Monaco. So, yeah, I mean, you know, listen bro, you know the world is a strange place. There's some very strange guys in very powerful places that have done some very sick shit. I rest my case, let's go back to Bahrain then.
Speaker 1:Which drivers need to show improvement in Bahrain? I mean, there's a few. I think Carlos Sainz is up there, poor Carlos, who got fined for turning up to the national anthem late in Japan because he was having medical treatment. He needs to improve. He needs to show that he's getting a handle on this Williams car, which Alex Albon is driving fairly superbly at the moment.
Speaker 2:Look, we know what Carlos Sainz is capable of. Look what he did at Saudi last year. I think maybe he's got to have another appendix looked at or whatever. But seriously, the guy has to. Something's wrong there. I'm seeing shades of daniel ricardo here. I'm seeing a guy who's forgotten how to drive. He's getting in the way of lewis at one point and, uh, he's doing just some really odd stuff and I don't know what's going on there. I really don't know what's going on. It's it's ambushed me. Another one where I'm gonna put up my hand and say, man, I just did. Just did not predict this. I thought Albon would be owned by him but honestly, albon's just gone in my shares. It's just gone right up the roof because the guy's delivering with what is obviously a very tricky car to drive and Sainz just can't get his head around it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a little bit reminds me of Ricciardo. He went to Renault.
Speaker 2:Well, renault didn't expose him as much as McLaren. Yeah, true, you know, in my opinion, do you remember that? I mean at Renault. I think he was Science's teammate at Renault. Correct me if I'm wrong. Whatever the case, he was only tested when he went to McLaren with Norris, and they just could never get him right.
Speaker 2:So I hope this is not like a sickness that these guys get at this age, because these are the next generation to fall off the cliff because, look, lewis is hanging in there because he's Lewis, right, fernando is hanging in there because he's Fernando, but I don't see the likes of Halkenberg, ocon. Those guys are done. They're never going to be world champions and we've got suddenly this crop of beautiful young drivers coming up, and they really know Bahrain well. So, yeah, I'm super excited about that. And if you want Formula 1 to boom, this Antonelli kid, more results, suckers, boom, boom, boom. By the end of the year he's going to be like Valentino Rossi for us. He's going to create a wave Already. He's got this huge following amongst the kids. I think he's just going to galvanize, galvanize.
Speaker 2:And I'm loving it because, although I was proven wrong about him, is that I want him to to be good. I don't want him to. I I watched him the other day and I want you have this anxiety for a driver. If you know, if you feel, feel for drivers, you have this thing. I really want him not to to burn it. You know, I really want him to to shine now and with that feeling in mind, I think he's gonna. He's gonna be around for a long time yeah, I would totally.
Speaker 1:Yuki Tsunoda still needs to prove himself in the Red Bull. He was disappointed after Japan, and Liam Lawson as well.
Speaker 2:You know I thought, but you know you mentioned something quite interesting he did get it close in practice he did. He lost the plot in quali and then the race. But yeah, yuki's got work to do. But that conundrum of that second seat is, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's weird, it is Liam Lawson. I thought part of me expected Liam Lawson to go back to the racing bulls and, yes, he outqualified Yuki Tsunoda in Japan by one place, but then in the race it just didn't materialize for him and you know, obviously the confidence has taken a knock, Bouncing back. He needs to bounce back. He needs to bounce back in Bahrain.
Speaker 2:He needs to be Hadja. Simple as that it's. You know, it's the classic first order of business. When you get into a race team, if you're a rookie groomed like antonelli, that's slightly different. But when you get into a team with a driver of your sort of caliber, and you've got experience in that, and even if you don't like these two, you have to beat them. First, you have to beat your teammate, then you've got to do the rest of the stuff. But that's to me what's very, what's very intriguing about that, which brings us, I think, to what are you making of Bertoletto or Hülkenberg? I mean, they're quite anonymous, you know, and I wanted to ask you this question later, but you tell me what you think of them, but I wanted to ask you a follow-up on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I've always liked Hülkenberg as a driver. I think occasionally during a season, no matter what car he's in, he will put in a fairly stunning performance based on the equipment he's been given Occasionally, occasionally. Occasionally, I would say two or three times a season.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, 24 hours a season.
Speaker 1:He'll drive the wheels off the car and then other times, like you say, he sort of falls into the background. He's a bit lacklustre. You know, we know he's at Sauber Audi, Butoleta.
Speaker 2:More important. Let me ask you about Butoleta.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I was impressed at the start of the season with him. I think again, though he's fallen into the background, he's another driver. I think that needs to impress at Bahrain. He needs to be further up the order than he has been, even though, without doubt, the Sauber is the slowest car on the grid at the moment.
Speaker 2:And that's what, and that's sorry. I'm going to interrupt you there because you bring me beautifully into my point, which is this Are rookies in shit cars actually proving anything? Look, I say this because remember Saba, when they ran Giovinazzi for like several hundred years.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We knew from day one that Giovinazzi was not good enough. And look how brilliant he is in World Endurance Championship. He won Le Mans. He's a Ferrari lead driver Bless him. Fantastic, but he just wasn't Formula One material at the time. Maybe now he could be, I don't know. But at the time and he nearly hurt himself a few times and he was running in an anonymous team. What did Ferrari learn if they kept him there for three years, you know? The question I ask you is does running in an anonymous back-market team actually help a rookie?
Speaker 1:Well, the example I would use is Mick Schumacher. You know they stuck him in the house and he had a terrible time, in fact really hurt himself, in Saudi Arabia, which is going to be a test, by the way, for all the rookies this year, because it's fast and it's dangerous and the walls are close. But Mick Schumacher I think they tried with him for so many years, thinking well, you know, he's a prodigy, he's going to come good eventually. And he just didn't quite and made a lot of mistakes in whichever car he drove, even as a reserve driver. I don't think the teams had massive amounts of confidence in him. So you make a very, very good point. You know, if you put a rookie driver in a mediocre car, is there any point? You know? But but then you look at mercedes, you look at antonelli, why don't you?
Speaker 2:stick it. Why don't you stick a journeyman there? You know, I mean, yeah, that's my question, because I don't, I'm on the, on the fence on it, but I'm gravitating to being kind of productive to have a driver. Oh look, he's getting track time. I guess I just't I'm not seeing anything. I can't you know, because I was thinking what can I say about Bertoletto? Honestly, I can't say much. I can't because he's not on the radar, like, say, for instance, antonelli or even Poggio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because at least these guys have got cars that can put them in the top 10. And when the you're at the track, you can be live at the track Doesn't mean you're going to see more of those guys, you're not. You're going to still see more of the leaders. So it's very hard for me to ascertain where Bertoletto is. All he's got to do. His focus is just beat Neko all the time. Simple as that.
Speaker 1:Oli Berman's impressed us so far this season. He's doing a great job with a poor car, so that's an example of a a rookie, even though he's not really a rookie that's.
Speaker 2:That's the job Bertoletto should be doing. Yeah, because although we're not seeing much of that car, we can see it by the stats. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, yeah, I think these guys are going to get better with every race and Bahrain, as you said, is a very familiar track and that I think, as I think about it, is probably the most significant thing about this weekend in Bahrain is that we will see the benchmark in terms of everything from the drivers to the cars and what the pecking order really is Okay.
Speaker 1:A few words before we finish, because I found this fascinating we were talking about it before we started recording today about what you have to be to be a world champion, and basically we both agree you have to be a bit of a bastard to be world champion, don't you? It's happened over the years.
Speaker 2:Look the reality is this you call him a bastard, other people call him I'll just say it once but I'm going to call it a ruthless guy. You have to be a ruthless guy, you have to have that killer instinct. You have to be. You do not care about anyone else. And I think lando is trying to preserve a nice guy image. Yeah, and that's cool. And if he does it and he wins this way, it's beautiful. And he said he's on record saying I want to win it as a nice guy. As you say, lewis was a ruthless guy too, from the day he got into that car. Fernando alonso is the ruthless of the ruthlessness. Sebastian Vettel was absolutely ruthless, ruthless with a double C. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:You see, I think and I mentioned this before we started recording as well I think Lando would have won the World Championship last year if he'd have had that ruthless die or be killed streak, because I think there was a couple of races last year when he opened the door wide for Max Verstappen to get past him.
Speaker 2:Mate. I think he wants to stay friends with Max.
Speaker 2:See and this is one of the things he wants to win it his way. And I respect that and you know what I wish him well and I think he can do it. I think he can do it. If McLaren gets smart, he can do it. I think he can do it. If McLaren gets smart, he can do it. But again he's got Oscar Piastri, who I think's got that ruthless guy spelt with a C in his arsenal. I think he's just that guy. You saw the movie on him at Monza last year.
Speaker 2:It was like Lando was totally ambushed. But Lando, you're not going to the beach, mate, this is Monza. But Lando, you're not going to the beach, mate, this is Monza, it's a Grand Prix. Yeah, exactly, we're chasing, let's go. And I think he did the same at Suzuka, although we didn't see it quite as much as that. And expect it again, expect it in Bahrain, oscar's going to be all over him.
Speaker 1:I'm looking forward to Bahrain. That's our next destination on races on the calendar. It really is. It's fast and exciting and dangerous, but Bahrain's going to be fascinating for us to see the true benchmarks that these teams have reached at the moment. Paul, thanks very much, as ever, and thanks to you for listening to the podcast. Please tell your friends, please subscribe, and we will see you next time. Two Soft Compounds was presented by myself, rick Hutton, alongside Paul Valesco. The studio engineer and editor was Roy DeMonte, the executive producer was Ian Carlos, and this podcast is a co-production between Grand Prix 24-7 and W4 Podcast Studio Dubai. Don't forget, if you want to join in the conversation, leave a comment on our Instagram page at twosoftcompounds. We love getting comments, questions, and we'll give a shout out to some of the best ones on the podcast in the next few weeks. You can also email us at twosoftcompounds at gmailcom and if you haven't done so already, please do click that follow or subscribe button. See you next time.